Mahatama Gandhi's list of CBME competencies

From his autobiography and other's testimonies:

1) CBME procedural competence in surgical dressing and administration of medicines:

"His early experience in healthcare started when his father was suffering from a fistula; he was one of the attendants to his father. He had duties, which mainly consisted in dressing the wound, giving medicine to his father and compounding drugs whenever they had to be made up at home. Gandhi was thus initiated into  medical service!"

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2) AETCOM CBME cognitive competence in helping patients and prompt referral for further help:

From his Autobiography, “The question of further simplifying my life and of doing some concrete act of service to my fellowmen had been constantly agitating me, when a leper came to my door. I had not the heart to dismiss him with a meal. So I offered him shelter, dressed his wounds, and began to look after him.” But later he was sent to the government hospital for indentured labourers. He further said, “I longed for some humanitarian work of a permanent nature."

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3) AETCOM CBME cognitive competence in history taking and case presentation as well as perceiving healthcare as a calling and finding mental peace as a currency for job satisfaction:

"The work of dispensing medicines took from one or two hours daily, and I made up my mind to find that time from my office work, so as to be able to fill the place of a compounder in the dispensary attached to the hospital… This work brought me some peace. It consisted in ascertaining the patient's complaints, laying the facts before the doctor and dispensing the prescriptions. It brought me in close touch with suffering Indians…”

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4) CBME procedural competence in Obstetrics:

"There was no time to summon a doctor or nurse because Kasturba got the labour pain so suddenly and the birth came quickly. Once again the birth was difficult but this time Gandhi delivered the baby safely all by himself! Devadas, Gandhi's last son, was born on May 23, 1900. Gandhi said, “The birth of the last child put me to the severest test. The travail came on suddenly. I had to see through the safe delivery of the baby. My careful study of the subject in Dr. Tribhuvandas’ work was of inestimable help. I was not nervous."

5) AETCOM cognitive and procedural competence in Infectious disease epidemic management:

South Africa 1904 , Sjt. Madanjit sent a note to Gandhi saying, “There has been a sudden outbreak of the black plague. You must come immediately and take prompt measures, otherwise we must be prepared for dire consequences. Please come immediately.” The municipality thanked him for this prompt action and supplied him with disinfectants and also sent a nurse. He gave medical aid and cleaned the patient's beds, sat by their bedside at night and cheered them up."

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5) CBME procedural competence in Patient transport and administration of medications:

"Gandhi recollected the services rendered in the Boer War, “We soon got work and that too harder than we had expected. To carry the wounded seven or eight miles was part of our ordinary routine. But sometimes we had to carry badly wounded soldiers and officers over a distance of twenty-five miles. The march would commence at eight in the morning, medicines must be administered on the way, and we were required to reach the base-hospital at five. This was very hard work indeed.” 

6) AETCOM CBME procedural competence in silent service driven empathic communication:

"The good Doctor told us that he could not induce Europeans to nurse the Zulus, that it was beyond his power to compel them and that he would feel obliged if we undertook this mission of mercy. We were only too glad to do this. We had to cleanse the wounds of several Zulus which had not been attended to for as many as five or six days and were therefore stinking horribly. We liked the work. The Zulus could not talk to us, but from their gestures and the expression of their eyes they seemed to feel as if God had sent us to their succour.”

7) CBME competence in actionable empathic buy in of a doctor patient relationship:

"Gandhi had a glum, ferocious, uncommunicative African jail mate attendant. One day, he was stung by a scorpion. He was screaming like anything and Gandhi saw this intolerable pain. He immediately took the African's hand and washed it clean and he started sucking the injured area. He was extracting the poisoned blood as much as he could and spitting out. He was relieved from pain. Gandhi applied tincture and bandaged his arm. He became Gandhi's devotee thereafter."

8) CBME cognitive competence in observing procedures (see one, do one, teach one, skipping the latter two):

"Noted in Gandhi's diary on May 15, 1947, “Manu has a severe stomach-ache, she also had vomiting and is running temperature. I therefore called in the doctors who examined her. Manu's complaint was diagnosed as appendicitis. I had her removed to the hospital immediately. She will be operated upon at night. Watched Manu's operation at the hospital. Mridula and Madu were keeping her company. But they were not allowed inside the operation theatre. I had put on a surgical mask and watched the whole operation."

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9) CBME competence in medical decision making (such as to operate or not to operate):

In the letter to Jaisukhlal Gandhi, father of Manubehn Gandhi, on the next day, Gandhi said, “I had suspected even in Delhi that it was appendicitis. I had hoped that treatment with mud-pack would help her to get well. But it did not help her sufficiently. I, therefore, called in the doctors yesterday. They advised an operation, and I therefore got her operated upon.”

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10) Competence in making career choices:

"It was Gandhiji's elder brother who dissuaded him from pursuing medicine because he said their father would have disapproved of the decision; since the Gandhis were Vaishnavas, they would have nothing to do with dead bodies. His brother suggested instead, it would be wiser to study law and become a barrister, which is what Gandhiji did."

"Later though, even as he practised law, Mahatma Gandhi continued thinking about visiting London to study medicine. However, in 1909, he wrote to a friend saying he had heard from certain doctors that they had killed about fifty frogs while studying medicine. He said, if so, he had no desire to do the same, because he neither wanted to kill nor dissect frogs."

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11) CBME competence in enterprise and innovation:

"With the help of three colleagues, Gandhiji put all the patients in a vacant house and took on the role of both doctor and nurse. Even though they did not have the means needed to manage a situation of this magnitude, they did all that they could to help. The Council, on their part, provided a vacant godown for the patients; however, this building was unkempt and filthy. Gandhiji and his colleagues not only cleaned up the building, they also raised money to buy a few beds and other necessary things by reaching out to charitable Indians. Soon, an improvised temporary hospital was set up. The local authorities sent a nurse, who arrived with brandy and other hospital equipment. Instructions were given to provide frequent doses of brandy to the patients. Gandhi had no faith in the beneficial effects of brandy and, with the permission of Dr. Godfrey, who was the doctor in charge, he put three patients who were prepared to forego brandy under the earth treatment, which required applying wet earth bandages on their heads and chests. Two of these patients survived. The other twenty died in the godown. Gandhiji said it was impossible to ascertain how the two patients who had agreed to the earth treatment were saved, but this incident enhanced his faith in the earth treatment as well as strengthened his skepticism for the efficacy of brandy as a medicine."

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12) CBME competence in putting prevention above treatment:

"I overeat, I have indigestion, I go to a doctor, he gives me medicine. I am cured, I overeat again, and I take his pills again. Had I not taken the pills in the first instance, I would have suffered the punishment deserved by me, and I would not have overeaten again. The doctor intervened and helped me to indulge myself. My body thereby certainly felt more at ease, but my mind became weakened."

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13) CBME Competence in designing rural medical learning and practice centers:

"He said the halls for treatment and experiment should be surrounded by huts that could serve as residences for patients and children who were being treated there. He also said the sanatorium should grow fruits, flowers, food grains and vegetables, that it should have cattle sheds and roads good enough for vehicles. He also suggested having a gymnasium, a tank for bathing and other facilities. Gandhiji said it was best to avoid procedures that required electricity, such as hot and cold water and steam regimens."

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1-9 points above have been quoted from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6515737/, which again has collated quotes from sources such as:

1. Bandopadhyaya A. Bahuroopi Gandhi. Popular Prakashan, Bombay. 1964 [Google Scholar]

2. Gandhi A. Mumbai: Jaico Publishing House; 2000. Untold Story of Kasturba. [Google Scholar]

3. Gandhi M. New Delhi: Publications Division, Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, Govt. of India; The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi; p. 20002001. [Google Scholar]

4. Gandhi MK. Ahmedabad: Navajivan Publishing House; 1927. An Autobiography or The Story of My Experiments with Truth. [Google Scholar]

10-13 have been quoted from:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6515724/

Notes:

Abbreviations used:

Competency-based medical education (CBME).

CBME is an outcomes-based approach to the design, implementation, and evaluation of education programs and to the assessment of learners across the continuum that uses competencies or observable abilities. The goal of CBME is to ensure that all learners achieve the desired patient-centered outcomes during their training.

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https://www.aamc.org/about-us/mission-areas/medical-education/cbme

AETCOM: An Indian abbreviation coined by the Indian medical council, a medical education regulatory body, which stands for Attitude, Ethics and Communication and is designed as (AETCOM) modules to develop a foundation of positive attitude, ethics and communication in the Indian medical graduate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9480674/#R11

"Gandhi was able to walk about 79000 km in his lifetime which comes to an average of 18 km per day and is equivalent to walking around the earth twice."

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Past lectures on "Indian informal healthcare" , Patient centered CBME as a game changer, Generalism in medical education and The ultimate "role playing in education" in the search box in our departmental website here: medicinedepartment.blogspot.com

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Wiki UDLCO: The ultimate "role play" in a participatory action learning and practice strategy

Summary: From an educational learning perspective looking at utility of "role play" as a learning tool, this wiki and other user driven  learning community generated content dwells on historical archives highlighting Bhagat Singh's participatory action learning and practice strategy through role play that culminated in his execution by the imperialist rulers of his time. The introduction highlights a chance evocative signboard in Telangana that sets off a train of thought around atheist Bhagat Singh and his association in that signboard with a deity.

Keywords glossary: https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2023/11/glossary-of-user-driven-healthcare.html?m=1

UDLCO Conversational learning transcripts:

[04/10, 07:53] : Any idea what does this signboard mean? Why's Bhagat Singh's picture with this deity?

[04/10, 08:18] Kmcq: Bhagat Singh youth association

[04/10, 08:27] : In Telangana?

What about the deity?

[04/10, 08:28] : Yes..Bhagat Singh youth association is wishing Happy Navratri

[04/10, 08:48]: In that signboard?

Bhagat Singh was an atheist!

[04/10, 08:48] Kmcq: Yes

[04/10, 09:07] : I tried a lot of Google searching about the connection of Bhagat Singh to Telangana, Nizamabad but couldn't find any except the veneration and God like status for someone who played the ultimate role play in education in "Theatre of Oppressed" style much earlier than someone actually named it theatre of oppressed when he designed a staged surreal drama in the parliament house that eventually led to his arrest and hanging but he meant the entire process as a drama

wiki quote:

For some time, Bhagat Singh had been exploiting the power of drama as a means to inspire the revolt against the British, purchasing a magic lantern to show slides that enlivened his talks about revolutionaries such as Ram Prasad Bismil who had died as a result of the Kakori conspiracy. 

In 1929, he proposed a dramatic act to the HSRA intended to gain massive publicity for their aims.^[21] Influenced by Auguste Vaillant, a French anarchist who had bombed the Chamber of Deputies in Paris,^[36] Singh's plan was to explode a bomb inside the Central Legislative Assembly. 

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Another wiki quote 

From May to September 1928, Singh published a series of articles on anarchism in Kirti. He was concerned that the public misunderstood the concept of anarchism, writing that: "The people are scared of the word anarchism. The word anarchism has been abused so much that even in India revolutionaries have been called anarchist to make them unpopular." He clarified that anarchism refers to the absence of a ruler and abolition of the state, not the absence of order. He went on to say: "I think in India the idea of universal brotherhood, the Sanskrit sentence Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam etc., has the same meaning." He believed that:

The ultimate goal of Anarchism is complete independence, according to which no one will be obsessed with God or religion, nor will anybody be crazy for money or other worldly desires. There will be no chains on the body or control by the state. This means that they want to eliminate: the Church, God and Religion; the state; Private property.^[87]

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On 21 January 1930, during the trial of the Lahore Conspiracy Case, Bhagat Singh and his HSRA comrades, appeared in the court wearing red scarves. 

On the day of his execution, Bhagat Singh was reading the book, Reminiscences of Lenin, authored by Clara Zetkin, a German Marxist.^[93][91] When asked what his last wish was, Singh replied that he was studying the life of Lenin and he wanted to finish it before his death.^[94]

Bhagat Singh wrote an essay entitled "Why I Am an Atheist" to address the question of whether his atheism was born out of vanity. In the essay, he defended his own beliefs and said that he used to be a firm believer in the Almighty, but could not bring himself to believe the myths and beliefs that others held close to their hearts.^[99]

Towards the end of the essay, Bhagat Singh wrote:

Let us see how steadfast I am. One of my friends asked me to pray. When informed of my atheism, he said, "When your last days come, you will begin to believe." I said, "No, dear sir, Never shall it happen. I consider it to be an act of degradation and demoralisation. For such petty selfish motives, I shall never pray." Reader and friends, is it vanity? If it is, I stand for it

Killing the ideas"

In the leaflet he threw in the Central Assembly on 8 April 1929, he stated: "It is easy to kill individuals but you cannot kill the ideas. Great empires crumbled, while the ideas survived."^[100] While in prison, Singh and two others had written a letter to Lord Irwin, wherein they asked to be treated as prisoners of war and consequently to be executed by firing squad and not by hanging

Four years after Singh's hanging, the Director of the Intelligence Bureau, Sir Horace Williamson, wrote: "His photograph was on sale in every city and township and for a time rivaled in popularity even that of Mr. Gandhi himself"

[04/10, 09:12] Kmcq through an AI LLM: Bhagat Singh's connection to Telangana, Nizamabad:

While Bhagat Singh's primary association is with Punjab and the Indian independence movement, his influence and legacy extend beyond regional boundaries.

Possible connections to Telangana, Nizamabad:

1. Ideological inspiration: Bhagat Singh's socialist and nationalist ideas may have inspired Telangana's struggle against the Nizam's rule.

2. Revolutionary methods: Bhagat Singh's innovative use of drama and public protest may have influenced Telangana's own struggles, including the Telangana Armed Struggle (1946-1951).

3. Education and awareness: Bhagat Singh's emphasis on education and awareness may have resonated with Telangana's own efforts to empower marginalized communities.

"Theatre of the Oppressed" style:

Bhagat Singh's staged drama in the Parliament House (1929) was a bold, symbolic act:

1. Protest against British rule

2. Exposing colonial exploitation

3. Inspiring others to join the freedom struggle

This act predates Augusto Boal's "Theatre of the Oppressed" (1970s), which aims to empower marginalized communities through interactive drama.

Bhagat Singh's "drama" in Parliament:

1. Throwing leaflets and shouting slogans

2. Challenging British authority

3. Using performance as protest

This event led to his arrest, trial, and eventual hanging (1931), cementing his martyr status.

Legacy in Telangana:

Bhagat Singh's ideals and methods may have influenced:

1. Telangana's peasant movements

2. Student activism

3. Cultural resistance against oppressive regimes

Veneration and god-like status:

Bhagat Singh's sacrifice and conviction have made him an iconic figure, transcending regional boundaries:

1. Symbol of resistance against oppression

2. Inspiration for social change

3. Embodiment of patriotism and selflessness

Would you like more information on:

1. Bhagat Singh's life and legacy?

2. Telangana's struggle against the Nizam?

3. Theatre of the Oppressed and its applications?

4. Revolutionary movements in India?

[04/10, 10:02]: This could be an important link to the Telangana Bhagat Singh connection 👇

To quote:

Anabheri Prabhakar Rao was a regional hero who gave a new wave to the revolutionary movement in Telangana. 

Anabheri studied revolutionary movements as a teenager and was attracted to anarchism and communism very similar to Bhagat Singh!

He was known as Karimnagar/Telangana Bhagat Singh

Anabheri died in battle aged 37. In a fight against the Police and Razakars led by Nizam's close adviser Khasim Razvi, there was a fierce exchange of fire on 14 March 1948 between the police and the communist squad in the hills and hillocks of Muhammadapur near Husnabad in Karimnagar district.[1][2] [3]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabheri_Prabhakar_Rao 

UDLCO: First world challenges driven by longevity and aging

 1/10, 07:29 CBBLE moderator: The first world challenges of aging longevity👇

Conversational Transcripts:

[01/10, 00:32]: https://news.sky.com/story/woman-96-sentenced-for-causing-death-by-dangerous-driving-13225150

[01/10, 07:12]: Last line:

"was disqualified from driving for five years"

[01/10, 07:13]: Look forward to her starting to drive again at 101 years of age!

[01/10, 07:33] +91 ST: She doesnt need AI , she needs only "eye" for driving 😂

[01/10, 07:51] CBBLE moderator: AI driven cars will put an end to these adventures!

[01/10, 08:24] +91ST: So would a driver or a cab. Yesterday, was chatting with AIIMS director about all the stuff Ai can do and how it will transform everything and make lot of healthcare jobs redundant. He looked at me smiled and said, shashi we are churning out lakhs of doctors from private medical colleges and we have such a great human resource . What would they do. They need to do scut work to learn and grow and make mistakes and learn like we all did. That's a process , I don't know if you really can cut that . Then I did little digging found this MIT experiment of using Ai for cse grads https://news.slashdot.org/story/24/09/07/2148218/mit-cs-professor-tests-ais-impact-on-educating-programmers .

How will the future generations docs will be.

[01/10, 08:30] CBBLE moderator: Had a quick read HAQR(aka opposite of TLDR) and to summarise it drastically, google using strugglers passed the test of competence in problem solving and AI LLM users failed as they were provided the solution on a platter!

Didn't really need an experiment! I would have simply taken the AIIMS Director's word for it!

Hence the push for CBME aka competence based medical education, which is currently much maligned as it's poorly understood.

01/10, 08:28] +91 SD: That's called the abyss of inertia and anachronistic- the # of students should be exposed to technology early as a means to improve efficiency! If not, we will remain in that abyss - diros should embrace changes!

[01/10, 08:34] CBBLE moderator: To summarise this again drastically (or perhaps not summarise but dissect it drastically):

Machines are all about improving human efficiency

Humans are an abyss of empathic inertia dragged by their anachronistic ancestors and need to be driven by machines!

[01/10, 09:34] +91 GAC: What if she drives Driverless cars? Will she be pulled up for contempt of court or fined?

[01/10, 09:36] CBBLE moderator: Yes unfortunately her resuming driving at the age of 101 after this 5 year ban will be thwarted by the onslaught of autonomous vehicles!

[01/10, 09:39] GJ: good question

[01/10, 09:39] GJ: If she is here, she will have to write an essay and resume driving vintage cars

[01/10, 09:40] CBBLE moderator: This was a news piece from UK

[01/10, 09:52] GP: Can we "drive" a driverless car? 🤔

[01/10, 09:53] AK: We can "ride" it? 🤔

[01/10, 09:54]GAC : Replace it with ‘operate’ driverless cars 🙃

[01/10, 09:56] GJ: AI will not allow to "operate"😄

[01/10, 09:56] GP: AI and Language Models have brought in new language conundrums 😂

[01/10, 09:57] GJ: perhaps COOs will also have to find new jobs😇

[01/10, 12:22] CBBLE moderator: From my surgeon friend in UK who had originally shared the news clip👇

"I have met a few years ago a 93 year old lady who was fidgeting when I was seeing her in clinic. She finally said doctor I have only 15 minutes left on my parking ticket."

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UDLCO: The universe in an individual animate cellular receptor amidst a trillion celled universe and the best coffee log ever!

UDLCO Transcripts:

[27/09, 18:57] Kmcq: I've been focusing on single human and spent and immersed all my time and energy for him for around last few months

[27/09, 18:58] Kmcq: If we look closely, even ant is as complex as God or say you or Albert einstein

[27/09, 19:02] Kmcq: I became him to understand him better

[27/09, 19:03] Kmcq: And also kinda trying to document all his texts and messages in fractal coding format.

Dynamic knowledge graphs and fractal coding just in theoretical stage..

Optimistic

[27/09, 19:04] Kmcq: Understand his questions and doubts beyond words and etc

[27/09, 19:07] R: You are trying to understand a single universe walking on the surface of this Earth cell that exists amidst trillions of other cells that have equal number of such universes walking over each of them!

[27/09, 19:09] Kmcq: Nonetheless it helped a lot in my healing despite some losses..

It's like Tantra sacrifice.

Full metal alchemist kind

[27/09, 19:10] Kmcq: Difference between Yogi,Bhogi and Rogi

[27/09, 19:11] Kmcq: Oversimplification of complexity?

Or can we just say simplicity is the ultimate sophistication?

[27/09, 19:20] Kmcq: 

Raajyam elinodu raaju avthadu.

Raajyam vidichinodu Ramachandrudu.

'Who rules the Rajyam becomes King.

Who leaves or sacrifice the Raajyam becomes Rama'.

Or we can say it as escapism,we never know

[27/09, 19:23] Kmcq: I'm trying to formulate maths for it.

We have to either put it in words or inform of equation to make physical reality.

Or else,it's just metaphysical

[27/09, 19:24] Kmcq: Just like the question of time,consciousness,fractals etc

[27/09, 19:32] Kmcq: It's theoretically possible to overwrite Dopplers and Planc's equation

[28/09, 08:26] R: Yes theoretically possible especially if you add vodka and lime to it but don't add coffee!

CF's coffee log:

[28/09, 07:59] CF: The root of evil is vodka without lime in some cases.  Now that is truly evil. Once the lime goes in,  Brother Shark , even the Devil ( wearing Prada)  runs towards it.

[28/09, 08:03] AM: I must acknowledge the accuracy of your prediction C. It appears that I was livestreaming that I was indeed having Vodka without lime last evening...was having it with tonic.

[28/09, 08:06] AM: What keeps you awake at this hour??

[28/09, 08:07] CF: Apparently stopping statins doesn't affect insomnia

[28/09, 08:07] AM: Having Vodka without lime does...

[28/09, 08:08] CF: Yesterday there was a SAS local conference and I took a liking to the coffee .  I had 9 cups

[28/09, 08:08] CF: Without realising

[28/09, 08:08] CF: I guess that's the reason

[28/09, 08:08] AM: Bloody hell...9 cups of coffee??

[28/09, 08:12] CF: Seemple . 2 at 9 am during registration, one for morning half session, one for morning second session , 2 after lunch to wash away weird smell of a syrupy cake, 2 around 3 pm with 6 sugars each as I was almost nodding off , one for the road driving back 5 minutes to home , and one at home ( I thought what the hell it makes no difference anyway)

[28/09, 08:13] CF: It's the hotels fault.

[28/09, 08:13] CF: They had a great coffee machine . But no tea.

[28/09, 08:14]AM: Saala pagol naki tui? There was no water to drink...I suppose.

[28/09, 08:15] CF: There was a large jug on each table. I kept away from it .

[28/09, 08:15] RB: The best coffee log ever!

👏👏

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UDLCO dyadic: Integrative medicine and the Brahmarandhra shikha jhuttu as Sushruta's adimarma point linking the individual jeevatma to the universal whole (paramatma)

Summary: The Brahmarhandhra epitomizes a transition point joining the inner universe of the individual body (jeevatma) and all it's internal medicine events driven by genes to the outer universe and it's external medicine driven by the whole (paramatma)!

Conversational Transcripts:

[15/09, 06:47] Gene: Including this in my TEDX talk 😊 just kidding

[15/09, 06:48] Gene: Here is what I think is a true story. ... had one of these: what in Kannada is referred to as “jutu” and he was unable to cut it and come to Bangalore and study physics. He went to Mysore instead and did economics. His younger brother cut it and became a famous physicist. Check the story out, from what I know it’s true 😊

[15/09, 06:53] Scribe: Didn't realise the jutu had a protective role!

[15/09, 06:54] Scribe: Him?👇

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._S._Krishnan

[15/09, 06:56] Gene: B V Sreekantan, TIFR director and I think Bhaba’s first PhD student

[15/09, 07:02] Scribe: Quoting from wiki:

fifth of eight sons and three daughters born to the Pandit couple, whose Telugu speaking ancestors had migrated from Andhra Pradesh to Karnataka. B. V. Pandit, an Ayurvedic physician by profession and the formulator of Nanjagud Ayurvedic Dental Powder, was scholastically inclined and maintained a home library that helped Sreekantan develop a reading habit from an early age. Sreekantan attended the local high school in Nanjangud and completed his intermediate degree course at Mysore. He secured his graduate degree in physics, with honours, in 1946 and completed his master's degree the following year, specializing in Wireless communication, from Mysore University.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._V._Sreekantan

[15/09, 07:03] Gene: Indeed

[15/09, 07:06] Gene: Think he came to central college Bangalore where Raman taught

[15/09, 07:10] Scribe: This is the kind of "integrative medicine" collaboration we 

need!👇

"At NIAS, he was involved in the studies related to the application of physics and mathematical tools in processing biological systems, along with R. L. Kapur, a notable psychiatrist"

Do you know anyone in physics department, Raman research institute who may be interested in patient centered learning? I have a hunch if we can get physicists interested in patients we could fast track our goal

[15/09, 07:11] Gene: Am thinking how to mention these ideas, my TEDX talk is in the evening

[15/09, 07:13] Scribe: If I see your presentation I may be able to suggest

[15/09, 07:14] Scribe: This book 👇

Nature’s Longest Threads: New Frontiers in Mathematics and Physics of Information in Biology

... may have some leads

[15/09, 07:23] Gene : One of the versions of the presentation 

[15/09, 07:33] Scribe: 👏last three slides where you mention network, provides ample ground on expanding on an integrative health ontology creation. 

Ontology itself means to integrate different elements (abstract and real) and is derived from the concept of yoga which means to yoke or join all parts to create a whole. 

So in the end we could integrate the process of scientific reductionism where we dismantle (shiva) and humanistic integration where we join everything back (Brahma) and this process is maintained by manager Vishnu!

[15/09, 07:35] Gene : Yes, should I just become a rishi 🤔😊

[15/09, 07:36] Scribe: Rishis were exactly that!

[15/09, 07:39] Scribe: Being a patient is the first step to embrace patient centred learning

[15/09, 07:46]Scribe: You can devote one slide to talk about that experience either in the beginning or middle or end

[15/09, 07:46] Gene : Yes mulling on it

[15/09, 08:38] Gene : Can you verify the picture and story that I shared from WhatsApp university ? How does one include it in a knowledge framework discussion if one decides to.

[15/09, 09:33] Scribe: @⁨Meta AI⁩ please share some studies on the vedic concept of brahmarhandra that is often the root of a pony tail worn by Indian Brahmins. Please validate your statements with study references

[15/09, 09:33] Meta AI: The Brahmarandhra, also known as the Brahmrandhra or Adhya Shakti, is a concept in Hinduism and Vedic tradition that refers to the crown of the head, believed to be a gateway to higher states of consciousness and spiritual enlightenment.

Here are some studies and references that explore the concept of Brahmarandhra:

1. "The Concept of Brahmarandhra in Ayurveda and Yoga" by R. S. Bhattacharya (2013) - This study explores the significance of Brahmarandhra in Ayurvedic and Yogic traditions, highlighting its role in spiritual growth and self-realization. [1]

2. "Brahmarandhra: The Gateway to Higher Consciousness" by S. S. Rao (2018) - This article discusses the Brahmarandhra as a symbol of spiritual aspiration and its connection to the pineal gland, which is believed to be the seat of higher consciousness. [2]

3. "The Role of Brahmarandhra in Kundalini Yoga" by Swami Satyananda Saraswati (1984) - This study examines the significance of Brahmarandhra in Kundalini Yoga, where it is believed to be the point of entry for the ascending Kundalini energy. [3]

Regarding the pony tail worn by Indian Brahmins, known as the "Shikha," it is believed to be a symbol of their spiritual aspirations and a way to preserve the Brahmarandhra, allowing for the flow of spiritual energy. However, I couldn't find specific studies that directly link the Shikha to the Brahmarandhra concept.

References:

[1] Bhattacharya, R. S. (2013). The Concept of Brahmarandhra in Ayurveda and Yoga. Journal of Ayurveda and Integrative Medicine, 4(3), 151-156.

[2] Rao, S. S. (2018). Brahmarandhra: The Gateway to Higher Consciousness. International Journal of Yoga and Allied Sciences, 7(1), 1-6.

[3] Saraswati, S. S. (1984). Kundalini Yoga. Bihar School of Yoga.

Please note that while these studies provide insights into the concept of Brahmarandhra, they may not be empirical research papers but rather scholarly articles and spiritual texts.

[15/09, 09:38] Scribe: @⁨Meta AI⁩ are there any references to Sushruta describing the scalp below the shikha as adhipati marma, which represents the brahmarandhra? Please share those references

[15/09, 09:38] Meta AI: Yes, there are references to Sushruta describing the scalp below the Shikha as Adhipati Marma, which represents the Brahmarandhra. Here are a few sources that mention this:

1. Sushruta Samhita, Sharira Sthana, Chapter 6, Verse 13-14: This ancient Ayurvedic text describes the Adhipati Marma as a vital point located at the crown of the head, below the Shikha. [1]

2. "Sushruta's Description of Marma Points" by K. R. Srikantha Murthy (2013): This article discusses Sushruta's classification of Marma points, including Adhipati Marma, which is located at the Brahmarandhra. [2]

3. "Marma Points in Ayurveda" by V. Bhavani Shankar (2018): This book mentions Adhipati Marma as one of the 107 Marma points described by Sushruta, located at the crown of the head, corresponding to the Brahmarandhra. [3]

4. "Ayurvedic Marma Therapy" by Avinash Lele (2005): This book describes Adhipati Marma as a vital point located below the Shikha, representing the Brahmarandhra, and discusses its significance in Marma therapy. [4]

Please note that these sources are based on ancient Ayurvedic texts and may not be readily available online. You may need to access them through academic libraries or Ayurvedic research institutions.

References:

[1] Sushruta Samhita, Sharira Sthana, Chapter 6, Verse 13-14. (Translated by K. L. Bhishagratna, 1907)

[2] Murthy, K. R. S. (2013). Sushruta's Description of Marma Points. Journal of Ayurveda and Integrative Medicine, 4(2), 75-81.

[3] Shankar, V. B. (2018). Marma Points in Ayurveda. Chaukhamba Sanskrit Pratishthan.

[4] Lele, A. (2005). Ayurvedic Marma Therapy. Ayurveda Vidyalaya.

[15/09, 09:44] Scribe: In your slide you can use this image

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https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C5%9Aikh%C4%81.JPG#mw-jump-to-license

As it has a Cc licence

You can summarise it from the integrative perspective as the transition point joining the inner universe of the individual body (jeevatma) and all it's internal medicine events driven by genes to the outer universe and it's external medicine driven by the whole (paramatma)!