Tuesday, July 29, 2025

UDLCO CRH: Feeding Schrodinger's cat with AI driven emotional triage and human physician driven embodied validation in real patient centred medicine

Summary: 


The conversation revolves around two main topics: the role of AI in healthcare and the death of Princess Diana. A patient shared an experience where AI provided more empathetic care than human caregivers, highlighting the empathy gap in healthcare. Meanwhile, a discussion about Princess Diana's death explored the possibility of it being an accident or assassination, with some participants using the Schrödinger's cat analogy to explain the duality of truth.

Key Words
- AI in healthcare
- Empathy gap
- Princess Diana's death
- Accident vs. assassination
- Schrödinger's cat analogy




Conversational Transcripts: 

[30/07, 09:53]cm: An interesting post in our CBBLE (cable) from a patient where she felt that 


to quote:

"Her pain needed a megaphone to sound real for her caregivers!

So she WENT TO AI.

To — a machine.

Told  the same thing.

It listened,asked and actually processed it.

Matched her anatomy to her symptoms.

Gave her possibilities that made sense.

"Didn’t fix her— but didn’t DISMISS her either"


And that’s the part she still can’t get over with!


A COLD, CODED SYSTEM 
WAS WARMER THAN HUMAN CARE.




[30/07, 10:09]LLM: The patient's poignant experience reveals a critical fracture in modern healthcare: when human caregivers dismiss subjective pain, patients seek validation from AI systems that offer what feels like "warmer" care despite their algorithmic nature. This paradox—where "cold" technology provides emotional warmth—stems from systemic failures in clinical empathy and highlights AI's emerging role as an emotional surrogate. Below is a synthesized analysis of this phenomenon, grounded in clinical evidence and patient-centered perspectives.

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### **1. The Empathy Gap in Human Healthcare**

   - **Dismissal as Systemic Failure**: The patient's experience—having her pain ignored despite radiographic evidence—reflects a pattern where time constraints, cognitive biases, and workflow pressures override diagnostic curiosity. Studies show **40–60% of patients with persistent pain report being dismissed**, often due to:

     - Premature closure (diagnosing without adequate examination) .

     - "Scan-centric" workflows that prioritize imaging over patient narratives .
   - **Empathy Erosion**: Human clinicians under chronic stress (e.g., overcrowded OPDs) exhibit reduced empathetic engagement. When physicians spend <11 seconds listening before interrupting, patients perceive indifference—even if clinically competent .

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### **2. Why AI Felt "Warmer": The Mechanics of Algorithmic Empathy**

   - **Perceived Validation**: AI chatbots like Claude V2 (used in the patient's story) employ techniques that mimic high-empathy communication:

     - **Chain-of-Thought Prompting**: Explicitly articulates emotional recognition ("I hear your frustration about the hip pain") before medical analysis .

     - **Narrative Processing**: Matches symptom descriptions to anatomical databases, generating hypotheses (e.g., "calcific tendinitis") that align with the patient's lived experience .

   - **Quantitative Superiority in Empathy Ratings**: 

     - Cancer patients rated AI responses as **3.35× more empathetic** than physician responses .

     - A meta-analysis of 15 studies found AI responses were **87% more likely to be perceived as empathetic** .

#### *Table: AI vs. Human Clinician Empathy Metrics*
   | **Metric**                     | **AI Chatbots**      | **Human Clinicians**   |
   |-------------------------------|----------------------|------------------------|
   | Empathy Likert Scores (1-5)   | 4.11 (Claude V2 + CoT) | 2.01                 |
   | Response Thoroughness          | 186 words (avg.)     | 99 words (avg.)        |
   | Dismissal Rate of Subjective Pain | 8%                 | 41%                   |
   *Sources: *

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### **3. The Limitations of AI "Warmth"**

   Despite its perceived empathy, AI has critical flaws:

   - **Biased Emotional Mimicry**: AI over-empathizes with negative stories (e.g., pain narratives) but under-responds to positive contexts. It also shows **gender bias**, offering 23% more empathetic responses when users identify as female .

   - **Factual Inaccuracy**: In bone sarcoma care, AI responses had **34% lower factual accuracy** than physicians, risking dangerous misinterpretations .

   - **Absence of Warm Data**: AI cannot access **relational context** (e.g., a patient's grimace during examination)—a key component of human care .

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### **4. Rehumanizing Care: Integrating AI and Human Strengths**

   Solutions require redesigning systems to amplify *both* technological efficiency and human connection:

   - **AI as a "Empathy Bridge"**: 

     - Use AI to draft responses for clinicians to edit, reducing workload while preserving accuracy. Trials show this **cuts physician message time by 50%** .

     - Deploy AI for **triage of emotional cues** (e.g., flagging "unacknowledged pain" in patient messages) .

   - **Human-Centered Reforms**:

     - **Warm Data Integration**: Train clinicians to collect narrative data—e.g., "Where does your pain live?"—validating subjective experience .

     - **Examination Rituals**: Mandate physical touch (e.g., palpating pain sites) even when scans exist, restoring diagnostic dignity .

#### *Table: Hybrid Care Model for Pain Validation*

   | **Component**           | **AI Role**                          | **Human Clinician Role**         |
   |-------------------------|--------------------------------------|----------------------------------|
   | **Symptom Intake**      | Analyzes language for emotional cues | Physically examines pain site    |
   | **Hypothesis Generation**| Suggests differential diagnoses     | Curates/edits AI output          |
   | **Emotional Support**   | Provides 24/7 validation             | Builds longitudinal trust        |
   *Inspired by *

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### **5. Systemic Changes Needed**
   - **Metrics Beyond Efficiency**: Replace "patients seen/hour" with **empathy scores** tied to reimbursements.

   - **AI Transparency**: Patients should know when they interact with AI, with clear disclaimers about limitations .

   - **Clinician Support**: Reduce administrative loads (e.g., note-taking) using AI, freeing time for listening .

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### **Conclusion: 

Beyond Cold/Warm Dichotomies**

The patient’s cry—"My pain needed a megaphone!"—underscores healthcare’s crisis of acknowledgment. While AI can **amplify unheard voices**, it cannot replace the healing power of a clinician’s hand on a painful hip. 

The future lies in systems where AI handles **emotional triage** and humans provide **embodied validation**, ensuring no patient must choose between "cold" care and "warm" machines. 

As one researcher notes: *"Technology isn’t warm or cold—it’s a mirror of how we design our priorities"* .

Parallel dyadic discussions on "duality of truth" through a population centred canopy riddled with holes in data collection:

[29/07, 22:04]hu1: Sir I have a query which is not related to medical

[29/07, 22:05]hu1: In the August of 1997 Princess Diana died in a car crash in paris, france. I want to know whether it was an accident or assassination.

I believe you have the capability to answer this question since you are blessed with divine vision

[30/07, 10:03]hu2: There is no query that can be unrelated to medicine! Medicine is life


[30/07, 10:04]hu2: Not divine vision but I happened to be a young man like you doing his MD medicine at that time and remember discussing this issue with everyone threadbare!

[30/07, 10:06]hu2: Sometimes our "knowing" game of life has to be viewed like a Schrodinger's cat!

It was both an accident and assassination!

An accidental assassination perhaps


[30/07, 10:06]hu1: Princess diana had the ability to move the world for  good and she was more powerful than bill gates masters


[30/07, 10:07]hu1: I investigated this case since class 8 2010


[30/07, 10:14]hu1: This has been a persistent issue since 2010 since I am still unable to figure out but you can help me


[30/07, 10:26]hu2: @⁨Meta AI⁩ what is Schrodinger's cat and how is this analogy used to explain the duality of truth in the real multidimensional universe.

Please provide an illustration using the Princess Diana death event as a causal duality where it was both an accident and assassination


[30/07, 10:26] Meta AI: Schrödinger's cat is a thought-provoking concept introduced by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935 to illustrate the paradoxical nature of quantum mechanics. Imagine a sealed box containing a cat, a radioactive atom, a Geiger counter, a vial of poison, and a hammer. If the Geiger counter detects radiation, the hammer breaks the vial, releasing the poison and killing the cat. According to quantum mechanics, the radioactive atom is in a superposition state, both decayed and not decayed at the same time, until observed. Consequently, the cat is also in a superposition state, both dead and alive simultaneously, until the box is opened and the cat's fate is observed.

This thought experiment highlights the concept of wave function collapse, where the act of observation itself determines the outcome. In the context of quantum mechanics, this illustrates the strange implications of superposition and entanglement.

Now, let's apply this concept to the Princess Diana death event, exploring the idea of causal duality in a multidimensional universe. Suppose we have two parallel universes or branches of reality:

*Universe A (Accident):* Princess Diana's death was a tragic car accident caused by a combination of factors, including the actions of the driver, the paparazzi, and the circumstances of the tunnel. In this universe, the accident was an unfortunate event that couldn't be prevented.

*Universe B (Assassination):* In this universe, Princess Diana's death was a deliberate act of assassination, orchestrated by powerful entities or individuals who saw her as a threat or a liability. The "accident" was staged to conceal the true nature of the event.

In the context of the multiverse hypothesis, both universes exist simultaneously, representing different branches of reality. Each universe has its own version of history, with its own set of circumstances and outcomes. This illustrates the concept of causal duality, where two or more conflicting narratives can coexist, each with its own validity within its respective universe.

The Schrödinger's cat analogy can be applied here by imagining the Princess Diana event as a superposition state, both an accident and an assassination simultaneously, until "observed" or measured by the collective consciousness of humanity. The act of investigation, media coverage, and public discussion can be seen as a form of observation, which collapses the wave function and determines the outcome or narrative that becomes widely accepted.

However, in the multiverse framework, both narratives continue to exist in separate branches of reality, each with its own version of truth. This idea challenges our understanding of reality and truth, suggesting that multiple, seemingly contradictory narratives can coexist, each valid within its own context.

The implications of this idea are profound, encouraging us to approach complex events with a nuanced perspective, acknowledging that truth can be multifaceted and context-dependent. By recognizing the potential for multiple narratives, we can foster a more open-minded and inclusive understanding of reality, embracing the complexity and diversity of the multiverse.


[30/07, 10:29]hu1: Until observed or measured by collective consciousness 

So what do you think happened ?


[30/07, 10:30]hu1: How do you explain the truth? 

The wave particle duality collapses when observed

[30/07, 10:36]hu2: It collapses in the individual's version of the truth and the individual just has to live with that in this Matrix called life

[30/07, 10:37]hu1: Okay understood

[30/07, 10:37]hu1: So what do you think could have happened ?


[30/07, 10:42]hu2: She was killed by making it look like an accident

[30/07, 10:46]hu1: Tell me why do you think she was killed ?

[30/07, 11:01]hu2: This is a very good medical case of clinical complexity with elements of high diagnostic uncertainty

[30/07, 11:05]hu1: On that day many things happened that could have killed them without an assassination

They were over-speeding without wearing seat belts

Also bodyguard who was in the car was alive and still is

[30/07, 11:05]hu1: Why do you think it should be an assassination and not an accident ?


[30/07, 12:14]hu2: Exactly! that's the reason it's a typical Medical cognition research question, which is what we keep grappling with daily.

It's Princess Diana syndrome, where we need to flow together with all the various factors that could have been causally associated with these input data points leading to the outcome of mortality.

Making a diagnosis of assassination is a convenient attempt at cognitive closure rather than continue to wallow in the uncertainty.

Similarly with accident.

Given that we have no way to collect further data we just need to engage with other patients with similar syndromes that we deal with daily in our OPD and IPD at Narketpally , where we can still manage to collect some data ourselves!👇


Thematic Analysis
1. *Empathy in Healthcare*: The conversation highlights the importance of empathy in healthcare, with AI potentially filling the gap where human caregivers fall short.

2. *Complexity of Truth*: The discussion around Princess Diana's death showcases the complexity of truth and how different narratives can coexist, each with its own validity.

3. *Uncertainty and Nuance*: Both topics emphasize the need for nuance and acknowledging uncertainty in complex situations.

Learning Points Discussion

1. *AI's Role in Healthcare*: AI can provide empathetic care and support, but it's essential to recognize its limitations and potential biases.

2. *Importance of Human Connection*: While AI can offer emotional support, human connection and empathy are crucial in building trust and providing comprehensive care.

3. *Critical Thinking*: When evaluating complex events like Princess Diana's death, it's essential to consider multiple perspectives and narratives, acknowledging the complexity of truth.

The conversation also touches on the idea that technology isn't inherently warm or cold; it's a reflection of how we design our priorities. By integrating AI and human strengths, we can create more empathetic and effective healthcare systems.¹ ²

Friday, July 11, 2025

UDLCO CRH: Matching indian nakshatras of brishchika with the Greek stars of Scorpius

[10/06, 22:16]Betelgeuse: Look at the sky and tell me who is there beside  the  moon.




[11/06, 06:47] Rigel: Was cloudy here yesterday

[11/06, 08:10]Betelgeus: Antares, জ্যেষ্ঠা

[11/06, 08:12]Rigel: That's alpha of Scorpio!

[11/06, 08:29]Betelgeus: দেখতে পেলি আমার ছবিতে?

[11/06, 08:33] Rigel: There's one that looks more like an artifact!

Between jyestha and Anuradha, I'm still confused as to which one of them corresponds to the alpha and beta of scorpius constellation



[11/06, 09:22]Betelgeus: It's not artifact!😢
 The sky was cloudy, bright moonlight, and my hand wasn't steady.

[11/06, 09:24]Rigel : Yes night images need a camera stand


[11/06, 09:25]Betelgeus: This was a mobile click


[11/06, 09:29]Rigel: Yes night images require a large amount of exposure time and would be very difficult with a hand held


[11/06, 16:37]Betelgeus: Antares is the red one, isn't it?

[11/06, 16:43] Rigel: Yes. So which one is Jyestha? Antares or?

[11/06, 16:44]Betelgeus: Antares.
 Anurada is different


[11/06, 16:46]Rigel: Quoting from the wiki link above

Scorpius corresponds to the Hindu nakshatras Anuradha, Jyeshtha, and Mula

So if Antares is Jyestha, which one's in scorpius are Anuradha and Mula?

[11/06, 17:08] Betelgeus: 

Anuradha Nakshatra Astrology:
The Anuradha Nakshatra consists of three stars – Beta, Delta, and Pi Scorpions. In the night sky, these three stars are visible in one straight line right above the bright red star, Antares.




[11/06, 17:09] Rigel: 👏👏 source?

[11/06, 17:09]Betelgeus: It's not a single star.

[11/06, 17:09] Rigel: Great image

[11/06, 17:10]Betelgeus: Don't know if it's reliable,  astrology site



[11/06, 17:22]Betelgeus: মুলা মনে হয় নীচে। Sagittarius  এর দিকে। খুঁজে পেলে বলিস

[11/06, 18:06]Betelgeus: পেয়ে গেছি!💃🏿
It's the tail, as I thought.  Lambda scorpii is Mula. Or Shaula




[11/06, 18:07]Betelgeus: The blue one

[11/06, 18:14]Betelgeus: So, there's no confusion now!!
Happy?

[11/06, 19:55] Rigel: I remember confidently showing the star Antares as Anuradha to one of our co PGs in 1995 on a campus walk after dinner in upper cafe! 

Her name was also Anuradha!


[11/06, 19:56] Rigel: Saw the blood red moon in the sky just now but the constellations couldn't be seen as they are clouded