UDLCO dyadic: Integrative medicine and the Brahmarandhra shikha jhuttu as Sushruta's adimarma point linking the individual jeevatma to the universal whole (paramatma)

Summary: The Brahmarhandhra epitomizes a transition point joining the inner universe of the individual body (jeevatma) and all it's internal medicine events driven by genes to the outer universe and it's external medicine driven by the whole (paramatma)!

Conversational Transcripts:

[15/09, 06:47] Gene: Including this in my TEDX talk 😊 just kidding

[15/09, 06:48] Gene: Here is what I think is a true story. ... had one of these: what in Kannada is referred to as “jutu” and he was unable to cut it and come to Bangalore and study physics. He went to Mysore instead and did economics. His younger brother cut it and became a famous physicist. Check the story out, from what I know it’s true 😊

[15/09, 06:53] Scribe: Didn't realise the jutu had a protective role!

[15/09, 06:54] Scribe: Him?👇

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._S._Krishnan

[15/09, 06:56] Gene: B V Sreekantan, TIFR director and I think Bhaba’s first PhD student

[15/09, 07:02] Scribe: Quoting from wiki:

fifth of eight sons and three daughters born to the Pandit couple, whose Telugu speaking ancestors had migrated from Andhra Pradesh to Karnataka. B. V. Pandit, an Ayurvedic physician by profession and the formulator of Nanjagud Ayurvedic Dental Powder, was scholastically inclined and maintained a home library that helped Sreekantan develop a reading habit from an early age. Sreekantan attended the local high school in Nanjangud and completed his intermediate degree course at Mysore. He secured his graduate degree in physics, with honours, in 1946 and completed his master's degree the following year, specializing in Wireless communication, from Mysore University.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._V._Sreekantan

[15/09, 07:03] Gene: Indeed

[15/09, 07:06] Gene: Think he came to central college Bangalore where Raman taught

[15/09, 07:10] Scribe: This is the kind of "integrative medicine" collaboration we 

need!👇

"At NIAS, he was involved in the studies related to the application of physics and mathematical tools in processing biological systems, along with R. L. Kapur, a notable psychiatrist"

Do you know anyone in physics department, Raman research institute who may be interested in patient centered learning? I have a hunch if we can get physicists interested in patients we could fast track our goal

[15/09, 07:11] Gene: Am thinking how to mention these ideas, my TEDX talk is in the evening

[15/09, 07:13] Scribe: If I see your presentation I may be able to suggest

[15/09, 07:14] Scribe: This book 👇

Nature’s Longest Threads: New Frontiers in Mathematics and Physics of Information in Biology

... may have some leads

[15/09, 07:23] Gene : One of the versions of the presentation 

[15/09, 07:33] Scribe: 👏last three slides where you mention network, provides ample ground on expanding on an integrative health ontology creation. 

Ontology itself means to integrate different elements (abstract and real) and is derived from the concept of yoga which means to yoke or join all parts to create a whole. 

So in the end we could integrate the process of scientific reductionism where we dismantle (shiva) and humanistic integration where we join everything back (Brahma) and this process is maintained by manager Vishnu!

[15/09, 07:35] Gene : Yes, should I just become a rishi 🤔😊

[15/09, 07:36] Scribe: Rishis were exactly that!

[15/09, 07:39] Scribe: Being a patient is the first step to embrace patient centred learning

[15/09, 07:46]Scribe: You can devote one slide to talk about that experience either in the beginning or middle or end

[15/09, 07:46] Gene : Yes mulling on it

[15/09, 08:38] Gene : Can you verify the picture and story that I shared from WhatsApp university ? How does one include it in a knowledge framework discussion if one decides to.

[15/09, 09:33] Scribe: @⁨Meta AI⁩ please share some studies on the vedic concept of brahmarhandra that is often the root of a pony tail worn by Indian Brahmins. Please validate your statements with study references

[15/09, 09:33] Meta AI: The Brahmarandhra, also known as the Brahmrandhra or Adhya Shakti, is a concept in Hinduism and Vedic tradition that refers to the crown of the head, believed to be a gateway to higher states of consciousness and spiritual enlightenment.

Here are some studies and references that explore the concept of Brahmarandhra:

1. "The Concept of Brahmarandhra in Ayurveda and Yoga" by R. S. Bhattacharya (2013) - This study explores the significance of Brahmarandhra in Ayurvedic and Yogic traditions, highlighting its role in spiritual growth and self-realization. [1]

2. "Brahmarandhra: The Gateway to Higher Consciousness" by S. S. Rao (2018) - This article discusses the Brahmarandhra as a symbol of spiritual aspiration and its connection to the pineal gland, which is believed to be the seat of higher consciousness. [2]

3. "The Role of Brahmarandhra in Kundalini Yoga" by Swami Satyananda Saraswati (1984) - This study examines the significance of Brahmarandhra in Kundalini Yoga, where it is believed to be the point of entry for the ascending Kundalini energy. [3]

Regarding the pony tail worn by Indian Brahmins, known as the "Shikha," it is believed to be a symbol of their spiritual aspirations and a way to preserve the Brahmarandhra, allowing for the flow of spiritual energy. However, I couldn't find specific studies that directly link the Shikha to the Brahmarandhra concept.

References:

[1] Bhattacharya, R. S. (2013). The Concept of Brahmarandhra in Ayurveda and Yoga. Journal of Ayurveda and Integrative Medicine, 4(3), 151-156.

[2] Rao, S. S. (2018). Brahmarandhra: The Gateway to Higher Consciousness. International Journal of Yoga and Allied Sciences, 7(1), 1-6.

[3] Saraswati, S. S. (1984). Kundalini Yoga. Bihar School of Yoga.

Please note that while these studies provide insights into the concept of Brahmarandhra, they may not be empirical research papers but rather scholarly articles and spiritual texts.

[15/09, 09:38] Scribe: @⁨Meta AI⁩ are there any references to Sushruta describing the scalp below the shikha as adhipati marma, which represents the brahmarandhra? Please share those references

[15/09, 09:38] Meta AI: Yes, there are references to Sushruta describing the scalp below the Shikha as Adhipati Marma, which represents the Brahmarandhra. Here are a few sources that mention this:

1. Sushruta Samhita, Sharira Sthana, Chapter 6, Verse 13-14: This ancient Ayurvedic text describes the Adhipati Marma as a vital point located at the crown of the head, below the Shikha. [1]

2. "Sushruta's Description of Marma Points" by K. R. Srikantha Murthy (2013): This article discusses Sushruta's classification of Marma points, including Adhipati Marma, which is located at the Brahmarandhra. [2]

3. "Marma Points in Ayurveda" by V. Bhavani Shankar (2018): This book mentions Adhipati Marma as one of the 107 Marma points described by Sushruta, located at the crown of the head, corresponding to the Brahmarandhra. [3]

4. "Ayurvedic Marma Therapy" by Avinash Lele (2005): This book describes Adhipati Marma as a vital point located below the Shikha, representing the Brahmarandhra, and discusses its significance in Marma therapy. [4]

Please note that these sources are based on ancient Ayurvedic texts and may not be readily available online. You may need to access them through academic libraries or Ayurvedic research institutions.

References:

[1] Sushruta Samhita, Sharira Sthana, Chapter 6, Verse 13-14. (Translated by K. L. Bhishagratna, 1907)

[2] Murthy, K. R. S. (2013). Sushruta's Description of Marma Points. Journal of Ayurveda and Integrative Medicine, 4(2), 75-81.

[3] Shankar, V. B. (2018). Marma Points in Ayurveda. Chaukhamba Sanskrit Pratishthan.

[4] Lele, A. (2005). Ayurvedic Marma Therapy. Ayurveda Vidyalaya.

[15/09, 09:44] Scribe: In your slide you can use this image

 👇

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C5%9Aikh%C4%81.JPG#mw-jump-to-license

As it has a Cc licence

You can summarise it from the integrative perspective as the transition point joining the inner universe of the individual body (jeevatma) and all it's internal medicine events driven by genes to the outer universe and it's external medicine driven by the whole (paramatma)!

UDLCO: Ganesha, Shiva and the three lokas

UDLCO summary:

The conversations below try to explain the story of Shiva's killing of a child and subsequent head transplant with that of an elephant using different world views the last of which postulates that the three worlds or three lokas of Indian mythology could be simply the past, present and future!

UDHC keyword glossary:https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2023/11/glossary-of-user-driven-healthcare.html?m=1

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UDLCO Transcripts:

[07/09, 22:09] SL: गणपति जी को नमन करने के बाद आप गुणी जनों से मैं एक बात पूछना चाहती हूँ । कृपया मुझे मूर्ख समझें पर उत्तर ज़रूर दें । 

शिव जी  आठ साल मैडिटेशन के बाद आये थे तब भी उन्होंने ग़ुस्से में एक बालक का सर काट दिया 

मैडिटेशन तो शांत होना सिखाता है और अपना बालक नहीं पता था तो क्या हुआ किसी का तो बालक था ।

और एक सर के बदले बेचारे अबोध हाथी का सर और काटना पड़ा ! 

ऐसा ग़ुस्सा किस काम का ? 

बल्कि कहानी यों होनी चाहिए थी कि एक राक्षस बालक को अंदर जाने के लिए विवश कर रहा था और उसने ग़ुस्से में बालक का सर काट दिया । मैडिटेशन करते हुए शिव जी को ये पता चलते ही वे वायु की गति से भी तेज़ वहाँ प्रकट हुए । उनको देख राक्षस ने हाथी का रूप धारण कर लिया मगर अपनी शक्ति से उस नीच का संहार कर के उन्होंने बालक पर वो हाथी रूप सर लगा दिया । 

बालक गणपति  गजानन हो गया । 

कृपया टिप्पणी अवश्य करें व मुझ अल्प बुद्धि को क्षमा करें । मैं शिव जी को गणपति को व आप सब को सादर प्रणाम करती हूँ 🙏

Google translation:

After paying obeisance to Lord Ganesha, I want to ask one thing from you virtuous people. Please consider me a fool but please reply. 

Even when Lord Shiva came after eight years of meditation, he cut off the head of a child in anger. 

Meditation teaches one to be calm and if one did not know one's own child then what if it was someone else's child.

And instead of one head, another head of the poor innocent elephant had to be cut off! 

What is the use of such anger? 

Rather, the story should have been that a demon was forcing the child to go inside and in anger he cut off the child's head.

As soon as Lord Shiva realized this while meditating, he appeared there faster than the speed of wind. Seeing them, the demon took the form of an elephant, but after killing that wretch with his power, he placed his head in the form of an elephant on the child.

Child Ganpati became Gajanan. 

Please do comment and forgive my lack of intelligence. I pay my respects to Lord Shiva, Ganpati and all of you.

[07/09, 22:11] SL: But this story of cutting two heads is defaming such a renowned Shiv jee - the great environmentalist , friends of all even disabled people ,  friends even with dangerous creatures like  snake & on top of all taking all the worries of world to himself by drinking poison. The inventor of Naad — dámroo , the inventor of dance & sooooo much revered because of his most noble actions !

[07/09, 22:15] RB: Here's the story optimised 👇

https://isha.sadhguru.org/mahashivratri/shiva/shiva-ganesha-parvati/

Think aliens

[08/09, 01:22] SL: Thanks for different perspective of the story . 

Actually, the gods of yore have always been replete with human failings. Not only those from the Hindu pantheon but Greek gods, Roma gods, the Norse gods and what have you. These gods had all the human traits of jealousy, vengefulness, lust and the occasional cunning. This probably bears out the sentiment that man was cast by God in his own image.

And these were ministers with different duties . 

The actual HE is Nature at its best is in every creature & is invisible unless you see with inner eye opened !

[08/09, 07:33] RB: The other hypothesis is that all these gods from Greece and Nordic tribes were the same but perceived and expressed different as per language and culture of the humans perceiving them. 

They evolved from the same humans who have been roaming the Earth for many thousands of years who later started getting identified with their geographical location once a large chunk stopped migrating for some time.

Those 'gods of small things' as opposed to HE were human time travelers from the future (a future where time had evolved to easily accommodate the past where one could frequent all the three lokas of past, present and future)!

[08/09, 10:54] RB: Just imagine you are a human on top of an adipocyte cell. How do you think the capillaries supplying your adipocyte cell and the capillaries supplying the rest of the other adipocytes in the tissue would appear to you? Would you be surprised to hear that you see them everyday?

Your adipocyte cell capillary would appear to you only in the daytime as the one and only Sun you can see and feel, which is actually a cross section of the capillary while at night all the other capillaries in the entire tissue would appear to you as glistening stars in the night sky also known as the Milky way.

https://consciousnotebooksequel.blogspot.com/2024/09/udlco-gaia-galaxy.html?m=1

Shiva returns with the trinity in response to the above:

[08/09, 10:38] K: যাহা আছে ব্রহ্মাণ্ডে/তাহা আছে দেহ ভাণ্ডে

What is in the universe is in the body

[08/09, 10:56] K: জড় চেতন জগ জীব যত, সকল রামময় জানি/

বন্দউ সবকে পদ কমল, সদা জোড়ি যুগ পানি//

শ্রী রামচরিত মানস

[08/09, 10:58] K: জড় কেও চৈতন্য এর প্রকাশ ভাবা হয়েছে 

অপ্রকাশিত চৈতন্য

All living beings in the material conscious world, is Rama in all the glory

Ramacharit Manas

[08/09, 10:58] K: Inanimate beings are thought to be manifestations of consciousness aka unmanifested consciousness

[08/09, 10:59] RB : Yes all objects are held together by conscious energy

[08/09, 11:00] K: According to vedanta, energy in it's pure form is devoid of consciousness though..

[08/09, 11:04] K: Brahman is the only and only one to be conscious...

All other things appearing conscious has his touch making them appear as conscious

[08/09, 11:04] K: In the above verse that Brahman has been referred to as RAM

[08/09, 11:24] RB: Yes and that non conscious state of darkness is the "shiva state" where he's sleeping and as per tantra only Devi can arouse him from his slumber

https://consciousnotebooksequel.blogspot.com/2022/?m=1

[08/09, 11:31] K: Devi is all pervading Brahman according to tantra

[08/09, 11:32] K: This she is the one and only one to be conscious according to tantra

[08/09, 12:00] RB: Also known as Narayani thus justifying the trinity!

Brahma created this illusion and game of non conscious shiva who sleeps while the game loads and conscious Narayani who is the representation of the game with in it's multiple avatars!

UDLCO: Gaia Galaxy

UDLCO summary:

Just imagine you are a human on top of an adipocyte cell. How do you think the capillaries supplying your adipocyte cell and the capillaries supplying the rest of the other adipocytes in the tissue would appear to you? Would you be surprised to hear that you see them everyday?

Your adipocyte cell capillary would appear to you only in the daytime as the one and only Sun you can see and feel, which is actually a cross section of the capillary while at night all the other capillaries in the entire tissue would appear to you as glistening stars in the night sky also known as the Milky way.

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UDLCO Transcripts:

[07/09, 19:32] 55M Patient Advocate DM2 20 Yrs backache Days: 

Where are we in this map?

[07/09, 19:38] : We are individual universes sitting and living atop cells aka planets each supplied with capillaries (a cross section of which resembles the Sun) and one of those cells is our Earth supplied by a capillary that we call our Sun, which we have till now viewed only in cross sections. 

And this arrangement exists inside each of our bodies even as we think we dwell inside a giant body of our current universe as is visible to us outside our bodies

[07/09, 19:39] 55M Patient Advocate DM2 20 Yrs backache Days: Your response is more complex than the picture 🤣

[07/09, 19:40] : Yes I love to imagine how each cell inside us is a planet in the universe. With your pathology knowledge it should be simpler

[07/09, 19:41] 55M Patient Advocate DM2 20 Yrs backache Days: In support of you  American physicist Niel degrass also told ' the whole universe is inside you'

[07/09, 19:41] : Each galaxy is simply a cellular tissue cluster with multiple capillaries (suns in cross section)

[07/09, 19:42] : This is just a low power view of our adipose tissue

[07/09, 19:43] 55M Patient Advocate DM2 20 Yrs backache Days: But find out our location in the map👆🏼

[07/09, 19:43]: You mean our single adipocyte in this entire adipose tissue galaxy?

[07/09, 19:55] : You can spot our sun (capillary in cross section) in the picture as it lies near a small, partial arm called the Orion Arm, or Orion Spur, located between the Sagittarius and Perseus arms.

CC licence: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Galactic_longitude.JPG

[07/09, 19:56] 55M Patient Advocate DM2 20 Yrs backache Days: Galactic pandemic of obesity 😀 sun is radiating  fat globules everywhere 😂

[07/09, 19:58]: Sun is a capillary in cross section that supplies adipocytes among other cells which have their own capillaries

The above is just a picture of the milky way ( perhaps adipose tissue) and the universe has many more tissues and organs.

To summarise the above Gaia galaxy hypothesis:

Just imagine you are a human on top of an adipocyte cell. How do you think the capillaries supplying your adipocyte cell and the capillaries supplying the rest of the other adipocytes in the tissue would appear to you? Would you be surprised to hear that you see them everyday?

Your adipocyte cell capillary would appear to you only in the daytime as the one and only Sun you can see and feel, which is actually a cross section of the capillary while at night all the other capillaries in the entire tissue would appear to you as glistening stars in the night sky also known as the Milky way.

More here about the Gaia hypothesis from it's popular reviver: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219276/

"When on the basis of this evidence, I reanimated the view that we were standing on a superorganism rather than just a ball of rock (Lovelock, 1972; 1979), it was not well received. Most scientists either ignored it or criticized it on the grounds that it was not needed to explain the facts of the Earth. As the geologist H. D. Holland (1984, p. 539) put it, ''We live on an Earth that is the best of all possible worlds only for those who are well adapted to its current state." The biologist Ford Doolittle (1981) said that keeping the Earth at a constant state favorable for life would require foresight and planning and that no such state could evolve by natural selection. In brief, scientists said, the idea was teleological and untestable. Two scientists, however, thought otherwise; one was the eminent biologist Lynn Margulis and the other the geochemist Lars Sillen. Lynn Margulis was my first collaborator (Margulis and Lovelock, 1974). Lars Sillen died before there was an opportunity. It was the novelist William Golding (personal communication, 1970), who suggested using the powerful name Gaia for the hypothesis that supposed the Earth to be alive.

In the past 10 years these criticisms have been answered—partly from new evidence and partly from the insight provided by a simple mathematical model called Daisy world. In this model, the competitive growth of light- and dark-colored plants on an imaginary planet are shown to keep the planetary climate constant and comfortable in the face of a large change in heat output of the planet's star. This model is powerfully homeostatic and can resist large perturbations not only of solar output but also of plant population. It behaves like a living organism, but no foresight or planning is needed for its operation."

Unquote:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219276/